#003: Why the Old & New Testaments? Pt. 2
Today, we're diving into the fascinating topic of the 400 years of silence between the Old and New Testaments. This period is crucial because it sets the stage for the arrival of the Messiah, and I’ll unpack how historical events shaped this transition. We’ll also explore the significance of the Old Testament as a foreshadowing of the New Testament, emphasizing how Jesus didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. As we discuss the prophecy in Daniel and its implications, you’ll gain a deeper understanding of God's overarching plan for salvation. So, whether you’re a seasoned Bible reader or just starting out, there’s plenty to learn and reflect on today!
Takeaways:
- The Old Testament and New Testament serve different purposes in the Bible, with the Old Testament laying the groundwork for the New.
- Understanding the 400 years of silence is crucial, as it set the stage for the arrival of the Messiah in the New Testament.
- During the 400 years of silence, God was still at work, preparing the world through various empires for the coming of Christ.
- The Old Testament is often seen as the New Testament concealed, while the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed, showing a continuous narrative of God's plan.
- Jesus came not to destroy the law but to fulfill it, which is an essential understanding in distinguishing between the two Testaments.
- The transition from the Old Testament to the New Testament highlights the shift from the law to grace, emphasizing the importance of understanding God's covenant with humanity.
Transcript
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Speaker B:Welcome back to the IWTK podcast.
Speaker B:My name is Josh Breena and I'm here with my co host John Daniel.
Speaker B:In today's episode, we're going to pick up where we left off last time.
Speaker B:Whenever I asked John the question about.
Speaker A:Why is the Bible broke down the.
Speaker B:Old Testament, the New Testament, and then John was describing the Old Testament and then we kind of stumbled upon something new that I didn't know anything about.
Speaker B:He mentioned the 400 years of silence.
Speaker A:And we're going to pick up there.
Speaker B:And John has found some new information or I don't know, I'll let you talk about that.
Speaker B:I don't know how we want that to go.
Speaker B:But before we do all that, how's your weight been, brother?
Speaker B:How's your shoulder?
Speaker A:Well, it's, it's, it's still there.
Speaker A:You know, after three surgeries, we're hanging in there.
Speaker A:Third time the charm.
Speaker B:Hey, we got a trip on here, folks.
Speaker A:Yeah, rope under cuff surgery is no joke.
Speaker A:So everybody in, you know, everybody talks about the horrors of it.
Speaker A:Well, I will attest to you, it's no, it's no fun, no laughing matter.
Speaker A:But anyway, we're on the downhill slide.
Speaker A:I'm two weeks past the surgery.
Speaker A:I still got two more weeks in my sling.
Speaker A:Before long I'll be buying a corner behind the corner.
Speaker A:But what about you?
Speaker A:Did you have a good week's Family good.
Speaker A:Everybody good?
Speaker B:Everybody's good.
Speaker B:At the time of us recording, this was around Halloween.
Speaker A:So last night was the night.
Speaker B:Last night was the night.
Speaker B:And y' all have any spooks?
Speaker B:No, we went with the grandkids.
Speaker B:They went, I have a four year old and a two year old grandkid and we just followed them around, got all the candy.
Speaker B:So now they inspired up and they spent the night with us last night.
Speaker B:So anyway, you know, it's same old stuff working and lower the daggum weather's turned off cold.
Speaker B:So that's why I'm wearing this long sleeve.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's been a good day to bend in the deer stand.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But this shot, this shoulders messed up my dear hunt.
Speaker A:So I'm gonna have leave it up to the boys and let them go.
Speaker B:Take care.
Speaker B:I got you.
Speaker A:Well, Josh, last time, you know, you brought up some great questions and man, I continue to be just so excited about this podcast.
Speaker A:Excited about my best friend Josh, you know, having a hunger and a thirst for righteousness.
Speaker A:A hunger and thirst for the truth.
Speaker A:I'm nobody special.
Speaker A:I'm just a middle aged man who spent Some time.
Speaker A:Not enough time.
Speaker A:I can promise you that I'm not spending enough time in God's Word.
Speaker A:As much as I'd like to, there's still a whole lot more that I don't know that I'm trying to learn myself.
Speaker A:And I'm honored that you chose me, Josh, to try to help you walk closer and get a little better understanding.
Speaker A:So again, still continue to be very excited about these podcasts.
Speaker A:Hope everybody enjoys it.
Speaker A:Hope we can reach somebody else out there.
Speaker A:But last episode, Josh, we was talking about the.
Speaker A:You last.
Speaker A:Why the Bible's in the Old Testament news.
Speaker A:That's my two.
Speaker A:Two Testaments.
Speaker A:And like you said, in that brief intro, we talked, you know, we talked mostly about.
Speaker A:I gave you some general information about the.
Speaker A:The Bible.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like a number of books.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:There's still great stuff to learn or to know.
Speaker B:Well, the Hebrew, the one thing there was that I had no idea about was whenever you mentioned the.
Speaker A:The different languages.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic.
Speaker B:Am I saying that right?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, that's just stuff that I didn't know until recently just because, I.
Speaker A:Mean, I'm new to the Bible.
Speaker B:And like you just said a minute ago, you know, you've been studying the.
Speaker A:Bible a long time.
Speaker B:There's still a lot to learn.
Speaker B:Lord have mercy.
Speaker B:I'm noticing that.
Speaker A:That's what's so great, man.
Speaker A:And that's why it's called the living word of God.
Speaker A:Y.
Speaker A:Because no matter.
Speaker A:I mean, you spend a lot of time studying and learning, and every time you pick it up, every time you read a passage, even the thousandth time you read that passage, because it.
Speaker A:It's living.
Speaker A:Because, you know, what I read at 20 years old doesn't speak to me.
Speaker A:And this is God.
Speaker A:This people want to know when they say God spoke to me.
Speaker A:This is how God speaks to me.
Speaker A:Right Here is what's in these pages from the front of the code to the back.
Speaker A:That is God speaking to you.
Speaker A:That's the only way God speaks to you.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:It's through his Word.
Speaker A:And we can talk about that later on.
Speaker A:But way he spoke to me when I was 20 years old reading this, I wasn't married, I didn't have any kids.
Speaker A:Is a lot different than when I was 30.
Speaker A:30 years old.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And then again, a lot different still when I was 40 years old.
Speaker A:And now we're knocking on the door of 50, you know, and just because life changes, as life changes, the word.
Speaker A:The word doesn't change.
Speaker A:But the way it affects you Changes.
Speaker A:But, Josh, back.
Speaker A:I wasn't satisfied with, you know, you.
Speaker A:You sprung a question on me, and I wasn't really as prepared as I should have been on the.
Speaker A:On the years of silence.
Speaker A:You know, when I was describing.
Speaker A:We got toward the end of telling you about the Old Testament, I said, well, then God went silent for 400 years.
Speaker B:Now, it's the first time.
Speaker B:That's the first time I'd ever heard that I didn't know.
Speaker A:So when you asked, you said, why?
Speaker A:What.
Speaker A:What went on the 400 years silence?
Speaker A:Josh, I've invited you to turn.
Speaker A:I'm gonna answer that question real quick.
Speaker A:I'm not gonna spend just a great amount of time, but it's.
Speaker A:It's very interesting.
Speaker A:And as you learn and as you grow and get a better understanding, this is powerful.
Speaker A:God's.
Speaker A:God's plan really unfolding in the scriptures.
Speaker A:But Daniel, the second chapter, now you know, you know who the man Daniel is.
Speaker A:Daniel's the prophet.
Speaker A:Daniel's the one that you've heard.
Speaker A:What do you know about Damon?
Speaker B:Not much other than that's your last name.
Speaker A:Would you know about the character?
Speaker A:You know about the character in the Bible?
Speaker A:You've heard the swords, Daniel and the lion.
Speaker A:Ding.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So this is.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker A:Is that Daniel.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So there was a king Nebuchadnezzar, and King Nebuchadnezzar was with the Babylonian empire.
Speaker A:Hey.
Speaker B:The reason why I have two Bibles here is one's new king, new King James Version, and then the King James Version.
Speaker B:And when I'm reading the Bible, what I found is I. I go to both of them.
Speaker B:So if you're wondering why I have.
Speaker B:I'm not trying to show out, but I am reading.
Speaker B:I try to go to both, refer to both of them, because King James Version for me is kind of hard to understand sometimes.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:I go.
Speaker A:I use the new King James for that very reason.
Speaker A:It makes them easier to understand.
Speaker A:There's other versions out there that helps.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:So anyway, go back.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker A:Daniel was in the Babylon.
Speaker A:Daniel was a Hebrew, you know, the Babylonian empire.
Speaker A:Because God's children disobey God.
Speaker A:God allowed them to be captured.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And the Babylonian empire came and captured them.
Speaker A:They took them back to.
Speaker A:To Babylonia and.
Speaker A:Or Babylon.
Speaker A:Excuse me.
Speaker A:And, you know, they were.
Speaker A:They were their slaves.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Were, you know, the word of God.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:You know that?
Speaker A:Yeah, because they disobeyed God's covenant in the laws and whatever reason.
Speaker A:So Daniel was in this Babylonian Empire, the assertment of King Nebuchadnezzar, King Nebuchadnezzar have the word were there in Daniel chapter two.
Speaker A:Are you, Are you.
Speaker B:Yeah, right here.
Speaker A:It probably says there's a heading up where it says Nebuchadnezzar's dream, right?
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Nebuchadnezzar has a dream.
Speaker A:And so in his dream is a, is a, a be a beastly image figure, not basically, but a, a huge man.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:All right, and let's, let's see, he says there in chapter 23 or verse three, he says, I have a dream and my spirit is anxious to know the dream.
Speaker A:So he had this dream.
Speaker A:He wants to know what this dream means.
Speaker A:So let me look the he calls all these people in wanting them to, to explain his dream to him.
Speaker A:None of his soothsayers, none of his wise men, nobody could tell him what the meaning of the dream was.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Again, so is he telling this to Daniel like you know, you referred to.
Speaker B:He went to, he, he asked his people what the dream man.
Speaker B:So now he's taking this question to Daniel, is that right?
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:Let's look at verse 32 through 45 is what I've got written down here.
Speaker A:Daniel chapter two.
Speaker A:Okay, all right, let me read that with you.
Speaker A:So he sees this the.
Speaker A:Okay, back up to the verse 31.
Speaker A:O King, we're watching and behold a great image.
Speaker A:This great image whose splendor was excellent, stood before you in his form was awesome.
Speaker A:So Daniel is telling the king what he saw in his dream, right?
Speaker A:And then he's also going to explain what what he saw and what it meant.
Speaker A:Continuing on verse 32, he says this image.
Speaker A:So he sees this big soldier looking image, this massive image.
Speaker A:He said the image head was a fine gold, his chest and arms of silver, his belly and thighs of bronze, its legs of iron, its feet partially of iron and partially of clay.
Speaker A:And you watch while a stone was cut without hands, which struck the image on his feet of iron and clay and broke them into pieces.
Speaker A:Then the iron and the clay and the bronze and the silver and the gold were all crushed together and became like chaff from the summer freshing floors.
Speaker A:The wind carried them away so that no trace of them was found.
Speaker A:And the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.
Speaker A:This is the dream.
Speaker A:Now we will tell the interpretation of it before you.
Speaker A:O king, O king, you are king of kings, for the God of heaven has given you kingdom, power, strength and glory.
Speaker A:And whenever the children of men dwell, or the beasts of the field and the virgins of heaven, he has given them into your hand and has made you ruler over all of all.
Speaker A:And you are this head of gold.
Speaker A:So he's telling this king in this right image, this powerful being, and it's got all these different heads made of gold.
Speaker A:You know, we talk about all those different things.
Speaker A:He said, you're the head.
Speaker A:So King Nebuchadnezzar, your empire and what all these, this, this image and all those different things represent or empires.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:You know, so you've got the, the Babylonian empire, the, the Medo, Persian Empire.
Speaker A:That is the, is the chest, the, the Grecian, the Greek empire, and then the Roman Empire was the legs.
Speaker A:Okay, so you got all this great, this great image, this great warrior looking man made up of all these empires.
Speaker A:And what Daniel was describing to him in that, in this book here it describing all those different empires and what they represent.
Speaker A:So now why does that pertain to the 400 years of silence?
Speaker A:Yeah, this, here we go.
Speaker A:So this is where it gets cool there.
Speaker A:He's writing this 600 years before that, 400 years of silence.
Speaker A:Okay, okay.
Speaker A:This is 600 years before God goes silent.
Speaker A:And God is, you know, the Old Testament.
Speaker A:And then we'll talk about this.
Speaker A:Probably close out this episode of this statement.
Speaker A:I'll go ahead and throw it out there.
Speaker A:The Old Testament is referred to sometimes as New Testament concealed in the New Testament is referred to as the Old Testament revealed.
Speaker A:So God is developing and laying out his plan to bring the Messiah, to bring salvation to mankind.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:All right, so as he approaches the end of the Old Testament, God has given through prophecy and through the revelation to those prophets.
Speaker A:Revelation means God spoke to somebody and somebody wrote that down.
Speaker A:That's what revelation is.
Speaker A:In the book of Revelation, John had a revelation and it was spoken to by God and he wrote it down.
Speaker A:So that's all the revelation is.
Speaker A:So God had given all the way through the Old Testament.
Speaker A:When you get to the end of the Old Testament, God basically he said, I've given you everything from my word and through revelation to set the stage for the coming Messiah, which is a transition from the Old Testament to the New Testament.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:All right, now I'm fixing to tie all this back together, so I don't need that.
Speaker A:It'll blow off top of your head, press the moon.
Speaker B:It don't take much.
Speaker B:I ain't got no hair to keep it in there.
Speaker A:So 600 years before God goes silent, King Nebuchadnezzar has this dream.
Speaker A:Daniel tells him of his dream and he lays out all of these.
Speaker A:All these kingdoms, right.
Speaker A:And these great powers.
Speaker A:So see, God prepared his people.
Speaker A:God set the stage spiritually through.
Speaker A:Through this providence that he's given us his word.
Speaker A:He's told the people.
Speaker A:So the Messiah, that stage is set but yet the world wasn't set yet.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So what those kingdoms did during those, you know, so Daniel Lamb, during the Nevin, the.
Speaker A:The Babylonian and the NATO Persians.
Speaker A:Have you heard those?
Speaker B:No, I've heard about lonely but.
Speaker B:Hey, what did you say me though?
Speaker A:The maids in the Persian and they.
Speaker A:They've combined them because that was half the time it was by the maids, another half the time of the Persians and.
Speaker A:Gotcha.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But they were the world empire of the day.
Speaker B:I just know.
Speaker B:Okay, so maybe 300 to keep the.
Speaker A:Persian in the wedding.
Speaker A:With all our heart.
Speaker A:So when we talk about these kingdoms, they are the world power, right?
Speaker A:You know, they are the United States of America in that day.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I got you.
Speaker A:You know, so.
Speaker A:So you had, you know, Alexander the Great was the Grecian, correct?
Speaker A:Yeah, I think he was in the Gracian time frame, you know, so but the Babylonian, they conquered all things.
Speaker A:Then the middle person come in and took over.
Speaker A:They conquered all things.
Speaker A:Then the grace Gracian, the Greek Empire fall, Neil and Alexander the Great and then the Roman Empire which is in plain when Jesus comes.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker A:Then the Rome.
Speaker A:So all those are taking place and what's taking place there, Josh?
Speaker A:And this is what God revealed.
Speaker A:Everything he had to reveal what those kingdoms did.
Speaker A:And that during that 400 time the world was.
Speaker A:The stage of the world was being set.
Speaker A:And what I mean by that before what those kingdoms did under their reign is they put the.
Speaker A:They spoke one language, I believe the Greek, the Grecian.
Speaker A:Before the great came there was all kind of different languages, right?
Speaker A:Of course there's still different languages.
Speaker A:But you know the.
Speaker A:The vast majority, everybody knew Greek.
Speaker A:Gotcha.
Speaker A:You know, so they kind of set.
Speaker A:Or at least the kingdom spread so that most everybody was speaking Greek or knew how to understand Greek.
Speaker A:And then the Romans came and they set up trades.
Speaker A:Well what do you do when you set up trades?
Speaker A:There's got to be a way to get trades from me to you.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So now they've built roads.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So see now B.
Speaker A:So all these kingdoms, what the kingdoms did during this 400 years of silence was, you know, this.
Speaker A:Cause God went silent and quit having revelation with his people and quit having.
Speaker A:Didn't mean that God quit working, right?
Speaker A:Because God still laying out his plan.
Speaker A:And what's taking place is that those kingdoms in this dream that he's saying, they set the stage for the Messiah to come.
Speaker A:So when the Messiah came and did what he does in the New Testament, then that worked.
Speaker A:Because when Christ dies, he tells his disciples, and hopefully Lord will get to that in future podcasts.
Speaker A:But he tells the disciples, he gives them the Great Commission.
Speaker A:He said, go you therefore into all the nations, teaching them to observe everything.
Speaker A:I've commended you baptizing them in the name of the Father and Son and the Holy Spirit, and I'll be with you always.
Speaker A:So he gives him the plan to go into the world.
Speaker A:Well, if this 400 years hadn't happened, if those kingdoms had to set up the road and the language, then that job that he assigned for his disciples wouldn't have been quite as easy, right?
Speaker A:So God set the stage for the New Testament through the Word.
Speaker A:And then even though that was done, there still had to be some more time elapsed so the world stage could be said.
Speaker A:So Jesus had come.
Speaker A:So that's why there's a 400 or that's what took place, because God wanted it to be that way.
Speaker A:And that's.
Speaker A:That's how it said.
Speaker B:Well, another thing is too, from what I.
Speaker B:My limited knowledge of this 400 years to me and you, seems like a long, long, long, long, long, long time.
Speaker B:Well, it is long time, but I.
Speaker A:Mean, it's longer than this nation's been around.
Speaker B:That's a long time.
Speaker B:Hey, we're fixing to celebrate number 250, right?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:But anyway, in the eyes of God, 400 years is.
Speaker B:It's not that much.
Speaker A:We just need to be a little bit more patient sometimes, I'm assuming.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, you know, God is not constrained with time, right?
Speaker A:Time is not an issue or.
Speaker B:That's hard to wrap your mind.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, that's.
Speaker A:That's one of those things that'll blow your mind, you know?
Speaker A:Well, and Josh, rightfully so, right?
Speaker A:Because we're human, right?
Speaker A:We're the created, these, the creator, Right.
Speaker A:And I don't know, all human race.
Speaker A:From the beginning of time, all we know are beginnings and ends, right?
Speaker A:So that's.
Speaker A:That's beyond us.
Speaker A:But hey, let's.
Speaker A:That's another deep well that we'll dig into later on.
Speaker A:That's just.
Speaker A:That's just the answer for the 400 years of silence.
Speaker A:So like I said, I wasn't quite satisfied with my answer.
Speaker A:I Gave you kind of so.
Speaker A:But what was so cool.
Speaker A:Like I said, what blew my mind when I dug into that nature that is in Daniel's dream 600 years before that four years of silence.
Speaker A:He defines this great image and all these kingdoms and all that plays into a part during that 400 years.
Speaker A:Well, from that stage when Daniel interpreted this dream, starting there until the New Testament rolls on until John.
Speaker B:Do you think there is a significance Whenever you said like the head was gold, the chest was something like.
Speaker B:But then you made it look like or you made it sound like it was like the Greeks, the Romans like the Romans were defeat.
Speaker B:You think there's a significance to that or.
Speaker A:I think it's the order of which the kingdoms.
Speaker A:Yeah, I got.
Speaker A:They were a chronological order.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I think there's some significance probably I'm not study why this metal and that metal and you know, the gold versus clay, not you know, the iron and stuff.
Speaker A:But at the end, you know, with this drain, he says there's a kingdom not maple.
Speaker A:And that's going to come and strike this image on its foot because the foot was made of clay or out of clay.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So this kingdom not label hands.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:We'll get there.
Speaker A:That's the kingdom of Christ.
Speaker A:When he brings in the New Testament and it strikes because basically it's the everlasting.
Speaker A:Those kingdoms.
Speaker A:Those kingdoms were earthly kingdoms.
Speaker A:This kingdom made not made with hands is a heavenly kingdom that has never ceased to fail.
Speaker A:All those kingdoms fail.
Speaker A:All kingdoms of man will rise and fall.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:The heavenly kingdom that Christ brought has never.
Speaker B:That's where we're striving to go.
Speaker A:Well, it's here.
Speaker A:It's here on this earth right now.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And yeah, you.
Speaker A:We're trying to go home to our.
Speaker A:To our city.
Speaker A:So that kind of tells us about the 400 years.
Speaker B:And then we go into the New Testament.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So let's roll right into the.
Speaker A:The New Testament.
Speaker A:And hey, I actually know what first.
Speaker B:Book the New Testament is.
Speaker B:I'm starting to learn Matthew.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Matthew.
Speaker A:Matthew.
Speaker A:Let's look at.
Speaker A:Let's look at Matthew chapter 17 for me.
Speaker A: Matthew: Speaker A:Josh, turn there.
Speaker A:I'll ask you to read that.
Speaker B:Oh Lord, you got me reading Matthew 17.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:17:20.
Speaker A:17:20.
Speaker A:All right, so before you get there, right.
Speaker A:We've left the Old Testament.
Speaker A:We explained the.
Speaker A:The years of silence.
Speaker A:God hadn't spoken to anybody or anything.
Speaker A:God had given any revelations until now.
Speaker A:We're in this New Testament 400 years since the last word from God.
Speaker A:So Now, Jesus comes on or John the Baptist comes on the scene early on in the four Gospels.
Speaker A:And what John the Baptist is doing, he is preparing the way for the Messiah.
Speaker A:He's preaching the kingdom of Christ.
Speaker A:And we.
Speaker A:We talk about that in later things, but.
Speaker A:Well, right now we're.
Speaker A:We're talking about and trying to compare and set up what is the New Testament?
Speaker A:Why is the New Testament so.
Speaker A:Yeah, now read.
Speaker A:Read a Matthew that.
Speaker A:17.
Speaker A:Matthew 5, verse 17 through 20.
Speaker B:Wait a minute.
Speaker B:Oh, Matthew.
Speaker B:I thought you said Matthew 17.
Speaker A:I might have.
Speaker A:I should.
Speaker B:That's all right.
Speaker B:Matthew 5, Matthew 5.
Speaker B:And what am I going.
Speaker A:Verse 17 through 20.
Speaker B:17 through 20.
Speaker B:So thank.
Speaker B:Not that I have come to destroy.
Speaker A:The law or the prophets.
Speaker B:I am not.
Speaker B:I have not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
Speaker B:For verily I say unto thee, or to you, until heaven and earth pass.
Speaker B:One.
Speaker B:What's jot?
Speaker A:Yeah, one jot.
Speaker A:A little note.
Speaker A:Yeah, one jot or one tittle.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's writing language.
Speaker A:I'm talking about writing.
Speaker B:Oh, okay, now.
Speaker B:Oh, okay, I got you.
Speaker B:Shall no wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled.
Speaker B:Whosoever therefore, shall break one of these least commandments and shall teach men so he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.
Speaker A:But whoever.
Speaker B:Whoever shall do teach them, the shame shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Speaker B:For I say unto you that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and.
Speaker B:And Pharisees, Y. Ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Speaker A:Okay, I'm going to ask you a favor.
Speaker B:I have no idea what he's saying.
Speaker A:But that version over younger and raised from the near king.
Speaker A:But hey, we're good.
Speaker A:We're good.
Speaker A:You got to reread it.
Speaker A:But yeah, there's.
Speaker A:So do not think that I've come to destroy the law and the prophets.
Speaker A:Jesus says.
Speaker A:He said, I did not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
Speaker A:That's what I wanted to get out of this.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:I mean, all of that is great.
Speaker A:He said, for surely I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or tittle of this law will by no means pass away.
Speaker A:He didn't come and replace the law.
Speaker A:The Old Testament.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:He didn't come and erase the Old Testament.
Speaker A:Jesus Christ came and fulfilled the Old Testament.
Speaker A:So again, I alluded to this, this idea and this concept a little bit earlier on, Josh.
Speaker A:The Old Testament is the New Testament concealed.
Speaker A:You know, so just like.
Speaker B:Like I'm telling you about the secret.
Speaker A:Right now, Right now.
Speaker A:Let me, let me give this scenario.
Speaker A:I don't know if you can see this happen, happens the podcast land, but we got a light on here, you know, so you can see the, the my bald head reflecting.
Speaker A:But maybe behind us you can see a shadow, Josh.
Speaker A:And if you see the shadow on this wall, you can see if you look at just this wall, all you're seeing is that dark shadow, right?
Speaker A:That's like looking at the Old Testament.
Speaker A:You're looking at the shadow of the New Testament.
Speaker A:You know, if you really want to know the enemy, I mean, you know, because now you can tell a lot about me.
Speaker A:If I were to stand up in front of this wall and, and you were to just look at the wall, you could tell a lot about me, right?
Speaker A:You know, and you could tell that I'm, you know, pretty short man, I'm a bald headed man, you know, just by looking at that shadow.
Speaker A:But you really can't tell everything about me until you don't look at the shadow and you look at me, the image, right?
Speaker A:So that Old Testament is.
Speaker A:That New Testament.
Speaker A:Old Testament is a shadow, guys.
Speaker A:The New Testament was going to give you, which is revealing the Old Testament, what it had in shadows.
Speaker A:So Jesus didn't come to destroy.
Speaker A:He didn't come and, and say, hey, that was a utter failure.
Speaker A:That was, you know, I'm doing.
Speaker A:He came and he fulfilled that law.
Speaker A:Because see that, that Old Testament law, Josh, it is.
Speaker A:Let's, let's continue on.
Speaker A:Let's look at Luke, chapter 24.
Speaker B:Oh Lord, you got me jumping.
Speaker A:Yeah, baby.
Speaker A:This is called Bible Study 101, all right?
Speaker A:You can't say the Bible without looking at it.
Speaker A:Luke, chapter 24:4.
Speaker B:24.
Speaker A:Luke 24.
Speaker A:Luke 24.
Speaker B:I got you 241 number.
Speaker A:Let's go.
Speaker A:25 through 27.
Speaker B:Lord have mercy.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Then he said to them, oh foolish ones and slow apart to believe in.
Speaker B:All of the prophets have spoken up.
Speaker A:Out.
Speaker B:Is it alt or out?
Speaker A:Out.
Speaker B:Not the Christ have suffered this off.
Speaker A:Not to cross himself, not the cross.
Speaker B:Have suffered these things.
Speaker B:And to enter in its glory.
Speaker B:And beginning, let's see.
Speaker B:And beginning.
Speaker B:And Moses and all the prophets, he expounded to them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Speaker A:Oh, there we go.
Speaker A:So Jesus, this is after.
Speaker A:Let me set the stage for this conversation.
Speaker A:This is after the death, burial and resurrection.
Speaker A:He's got some disciples.
Speaker A:This is what's called the road to the maze.
Speaker A:So there was some disciples, there was some followers of him and they're walking down this dusty road, their heads hung low.
Speaker A:Their master, the Rabbi, has just been murdered and put into a grave.
Speaker A:And so they're wandering this road with Jesus being resurrected.
Speaker A:He comes and he joins himself alongside them, but they don't recognize him.
Speaker A:One Aborigine, which has always blow my mind, I thought was interesting.
Speaker A:So he's like, what's wrong with y'?
Speaker A:All?
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And they were you, you know, were you.
Speaker A:You're a stranger.
Speaker A:You don't know anything about what's took place here in Jerusalem over the past few days.
Speaker A:And so they was, you know, telling their woe with me story to Jesus.
Speaker A:So Jesus said, oh, you foolish ones, lower hearts, believe in all that the prophets have spoken.
Speaker A:Because, see, everything that just took place in Jerusalem, everything that Christ should suffer, everything that just happened, had been told what's going to happen right in the Old Testament.
Speaker A:And he says, you know, and you spent time with this, this rabbi, with this Christ.
Speaker A:And he explained again to you and was telling you all the time that he was with you that these things were to happen.
Speaker A:So foolish, one, slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken.
Speaker A:The prophets, again, they refer to the Old Testament.
Speaker A:He said, shouldn't the Christ have suffered these things?
Speaker A:Ought the Christ not have suffered these things to enter into his glory?
Speaker A:And he says then beginning there, it says at that stage of the conversation, he then starts talking Old Testament to him, going all the way back to Moses, going all the way back to the Old Covenant.
Speaker A:And he says what it says all the prophets, he expounded to them in all the Scriptures, the things concerning who?
Speaker A:Himself, himself.
Speaker A:So he is the guy who's came.
Speaker A:He is the Messiah.
Speaker A:He is the one who's came to fulfill.
Speaker A:But that shadow that we talked about on the wall was pointing to the New Covenant, was pointing to the Messiah, the promises of God.
Speaker A:Jesus said, all that's me.
Speaker A:All that was about me.
Speaker A:Now, let's look.
Speaker A:Let's look to Hebrews chapter 8.
Speaker A:Hebrews chapter 8.
Speaker A:Let's keep rolling into the New Testament there, closer to the end of the New Testament.
Speaker B:Ephesians, Timothy.
Speaker A:Yeah, keep going.
Speaker A:Going way right past Timothy's next one, right inside.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Hebrew what?
Speaker A:Hebrews Chapter eight.
Speaker B:Let's see.
Speaker A:All right, I want you to follow along with me.
Speaker A:I'm gonna read it.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Hebrews chapter eight.
Speaker A:And we're gonna look at verse six.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Hebrews 8, 6, 13.
Speaker A:Now, okay, we're going to compare these new covenants, but we can see that Jesus came not to Destroy the law.
Speaker A:But to fulfill it, Jesus says to his disciples, that Old wall was talking about me, was setting that.
Speaker A:Setting the stage for me.
Speaker A:Now, Hebrews 8, beginning in verse 6.
Speaker A:But now he has obtained a more excellent ministry inasmuch as he is also the mediator of a better covenant.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker A:There's a word that we're looking for, the covenant.
Speaker A:Trying to explain why there are two covenants.
Speaker A:And what's the difference between the two?
Speaker A:Jesus is saying, this is.
Speaker A:This is Hebrews explaining this new covenant.
Speaker A:There was also a mediator notice in your Bible.
Speaker A:Mediators capitalize, right?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So what do you think?
Speaker A:What do you think the significance of that is?
Speaker B:Well, I mean, that express importance?
Speaker A:Well, the.
Speaker B:I mean, other than that, I don't know.
Speaker A:All right, look, look.
Speaker A:Let's go back up to number six.
Speaker A:It's another.
Speaker A:As you study your Bible and as you read going forward, I want you to pay attention.
Speaker A:You know, there.
Speaker A:Verse 6.
Speaker A:But now he.
Speaker A:He is capitalized, right?
Speaker A:Why is he capitalized?
Speaker B:He's referring to God.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Referring to Jesus.
Speaker A:Jesus.
Speaker A:Okay, this mediator.
Speaker A:Yeah, God, Jesus.
Speaker A:Yeah, I got you with a pronoun.
Speaker A:Is referring to deity, God, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit is what we capitalize.
Speaker A:And when another name like this, mediator.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Is capitalized because Jesus is the mediator, it means he's the one who brought in that new covenant.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So he is the mediator of this new government which was established on better promises, is what we're still.
Speaker A:We're still reading in verse six of Hebrews, chapter eight.
Speaker A:So now continue on, and we will go down to verse 13.
Speaker A:For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second because finding fault with them, he says, behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.
Speaker A:Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt.
Speaker A:Because they did not continue in my covenant.
Speaker A:And I disregarded them, says the Lord.
Speaker A:Verse 10.
Speaker A:For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel.
Speaker A:For after those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts.
Speaker A:And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Speaker A:None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, know the Lord.
Speaker A:For all shall know me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.
Speaker A:For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness and their sins and their lawless deeds, and I will remember no more.
Speaker A:So we're talking about a new covenant.
Speaker A:Look at.
Speaker A:You probably have a heading above that, verse seven in your Bible.
Speaker A:What does it say?
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker A:They were talking about a nearby better covenant.
Speaker A:It said it there at the end of verse 6, the mediator of a better covenant.
Speaker A:See, that first.
Speaker A:The first covenant is the people that have been able to obey the first covenant.
Speaker A:And that's what, you know, they didn't.
Speaker A:They couldn't.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Only Jesus come and was perfect to that first covenant.
Speaker A:Now let's look, continue on.
Speaker A:Roll right into Hebrews 9.
Speaker B:The earthly sanctuary.
Speaker A:Is that right?
Speaker A:Yeah, but let's look at them.
Speaker A:Look down, verse 16.
Speaker A:Yeah, sanctuary.
Speaker A:Look down at verse 16.
Speaker A:So death.
Speaker A: Read verse: Speaker B:For where there is a testament, there must also, of necessity be the death of the testor.
Speaker A:Testator.
Speaker B:What's that?
Speaker A:Testator.
Speaker B:Testator.
Speaker A:Testator.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all, while the test.
Speaker A:What you say, Testator.
Speaker B:Testator.
Speaker B:Lives.
Speaker B:Therefore, not even the first covenant was dedicated without blood.
Speaker B:For when Moses had spoken every.
Speaker B:Let's see.
Speaker B:Precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and goats with the water scarlet wool, and was that high, his hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people saying, this is the blood of the covenant which God has commanded you.
Speaker A:That's good.
Speaker A:So this old law that was set up in the Mosaic law, they had the.
Speaker A:They had this, the tabernacle, and they had furniture inside the tabernacle.
Speaker A:You had the holy place, and then you had the holy of holies.
Speaker A:And the holy of Holies is where the ark of the covenant was.
Speaker A:And it's where the ten Commandments were put in there and other articles inside there.
Speaker A:But God.
Speaker A:God had prescribed his dwelling place and where he would be with these people.
Speaker A:And every year and also throughout that whole law was set up sacrifices, animal sacrifices.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And one day we'll talk about it.
Speaker A:I wish I had that number.
Speaker A:You know, it was unfathomable how many.
Speaker A:How much blood had to be spilled on a yearly basis for that.
Speaker A:Omaha.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I mean, where they were killing goats and sheeps and doves and, I mean, just in spreading blood and, you know, and what that did, that those.
Speaker A:Those sacrifices and all that stuff, they continue to roll sins forward.
Speaker A:And, you know, it never, never forgave those sins.
Speaker A:It never.
Speaker A:It rolled all those people sins for right by time, buying them time.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:You know, and then, and then, you know, so this old law was doing it and never forgave sins.
Speaker A:But, but Jesus came and he became the perfect lamb.
Speaker A:The spotless lamb was fulfilled.
Speaker A:You know, there were certain rules in that Old Testament.
Speaker A:You couldn't just offer anything.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And offer the best.
Speaker B:Yeah, the first and the best.
Speaker A:Jesus came and he never once seen sin perfect according to the old law.
Speaker A:And he became that perfect sin, sacrifice.
Speaker A:So he did away basically once this new covenant came.
Speaker A:And once Jesus came and died for the.
Speaker A:In the manner that he did.
Speaker A:And he.
Speaker A:He was that mediator.
Speaker A:And just like we read, there's no, you know, no covenant, no one is in place until the death of the testator.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:You and your wife sit down and fill out a last will and testament, which means when something happens here, this is what you want to do.
Speaker A:This is what I property or when all you, that you got left over there's got, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah, maybe.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:This is, this is how I want my stuff laid out right after I'm done.
Speaker A:That piece of paper, that welding that wheel is of no value until you are to go.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Because as long as you are alive, you have control over all that.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I mean, but that piece of paper that will and testament does not, not is not effective until you are dead.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Jesus came and he instituted, implemented and brought forth the New Testament.
Speaker A:And when he died and here, here, shortly we're going to move into talking about the Lord's church.
Speaker A:When he died, he purchased the church and he set in place this New Testament.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Well, I think that's, I mean, I guess to wrap it all up, the difference between, well, not the difference between the Old Testament or New Testament is just like the reason why it's broke down is kind of explain the.
Speaker B:How was it you said that one time like you, you tell somebody something.
Speaker B:How does that go?
Speaker B:Like you tell somebody what you tell them, they tell.
Speaker B:What is it anyway?
Speaker A:You, you, you tell them what you're going to tell them.
Speaker A:You tell them and then you tell them what you told them.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Is that kind of like to break that down like the, the Old Testament?
Speaker B:Well, I mean, do you see what.
Speaker A:I'm trying to do?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, I do.
Speaker A:And, and so the Old Testament God is laying down this plan to save mankind.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:In the Old Testament is pointing to your point.
Speaker A:He's telling people what, what he's going to do.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And the Old Testament is pointing Toward the New Testament.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And the New Testament is like, like you've got a veil and you, you uncover that veil, you know.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It's like certain images that I love to see.
Speaker A:You know, when, when traditionally, when, when a bride comes.
Speaker A:Comes out, you know, the groom is standing at the front of the front of the church to.
Speaker A:Waiting on his bride.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:The bride comes out and the bride has come down the halter and she's got a veil on.
Speaker A:Right, Right.
Speaker A:You know, traditionally, it might probably not like that much anymore, but in the old days.
Speaker A:And we're old days.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah, Right.
Speaker A:The bell to bell on.
Speaker A:And then when she comes forward to be married and presented to the crew, the veil is lifted.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And now you can see the image.
Speaker A:Well, that bride in that Old Testament had to have developed.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And then when they come after the 400 years of silence, Christ comes and he removes.
Speaker A:Removes the veil.
Speaker A:And in a moment we're going to talk about the church and how the church is the pride of Christ.
Speaker A:Right, Right.
Speaker A:But anyway, this is great things, great, great topics.
Speaker A:I hope I've given you some clarity on absolute difference between the two Testaments.
Speaker A:And then now we live under the New Testament age.
Speaker A:The Old Testament age is there for our learning, is there for examples, it's there for admonition, it's there for our learning.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:The New Testament is the law that we live on.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's what we're going to be studying, testing on.
Speaker A:And surprising enough, I forget the percentage, but there's very, very little that was commanded in the Old Testament that's not commanded in the New Testament.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:You know, but for the most part, most everything that was commanded in the Old Testament is still not on your responsibility to fulfill.
Speaker A:But there's been some slight changes.
Speaker A:You know, the, the Sabbath day, for instance.
Speaker A:Sabbath day is Saturday.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:You know, when back in the Old Testament, they worshiped and they gathered upon the Sabbath day.
Speaker A:The Sabbath day was holy.
Speaker A:Well, when Jesus issued in the new covenant, he said upon the first day of the week.
Speaker A:Because when did Jesus.
Speaker A:When was he resurrected?
Speaker A:On the first day of the week.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:The first day of the week is Sunday.
Speaker B:Got you.
Speaker A:So that's what trans.
Speaker A:I said there's some differences like that.
Speaker A:And we're under that new covenant, we're not under the Old Covenant.
Speaker A:But anyway, great discussion, great topic.
Speaker A:Thank y' all for being with us.
Speaker A:I hope it's been enjoyable for you as well.
Speaker A:We invite you to come back and listen to us next time.
Speaker A:We're going to talk about the church in the New Covenant, but.
Speaker A:John.
Speaker A:Daniel.
Speaker A:Josh.
Speaker A:Josh.
Speaker A:Love you, brother.
Speaker A:Glad to be here with you.
Speaker A:And we'll.
Speaker A:We'll see y' all next time.
Speaker A:Thank you.
